UC Cordoned Off

Friday, February 10, 2006

Guelph police have cordoned off part of the sidewalk area in front of the University Centre while they investigate an assault that occurred early this morning.

The University Centre is open.
An altercation involving two 20-year-old males occurred outside the University Centre around 2:30 a.m. One man was transported to hospital and the other is in custody.

Anyone who witnessed this incident is asked to contact Sgt. Ed O’Hanlon 824-1212, Ext. 203 or CRIME STOPPERS, 1-800-222-8477.

The police investigation is continuing.

- University of Guelph Release

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  1. Posted by: uter on Feb 10, 2006 @ 12:11pm

    Crazy, that is close to South. I didn' hear any screaming so it must have been just two people, not a group. While I understand the area needs to be cordoned off, I can't help but be the sappy environmentalist here. 10 hours after the incident, do the police cars (now 2)really need to keep their engines running for hours? What a blatant waste of fuel (money) and unnecessary emissions. Does it really take that long to start the engine (in case of emergency)

  2. Posted by: Al on Feb 10, 2006 @ 2:19pm

    i have to admit though, it does seem kinda interesting that we can get fined up to $150 or something for leaving our car idling for more than 3 minutes, and yet that cop has been idling for over three hours. i hope that guy is alright - it must have been serious - apparently he got transported to sunnybrook in toronto.

  3. Posted by: RM on Feb 10, 2006 @ 2:51pm

    I believe he got transferred to ST. Michaels and is in a life or death situation right now.

  4. Posted by: Sean on Feb 10, 2006 @ 4:22pm

    I'm not entirely sure why such a big deal was made out of this... It's only an everyday pub brawl that got a little out of hand, same thing happens downtown in front of Trappers or Palace twice a week and nobody bats an eyelid.

    On a somewhat related note, has anyone noticed how the Guelph security service (as they are no longer legally "police," don't forget that) has begun using Ford Crown Victorias as opposed to their old realitively fuel efficient Intrepids? When the University is supposedly in a budget crunch, why the move to larger, more inefficient vehicles? I'm sure whoever is driving them feels more important, but is it worth the cost to the students?

  5. Posted by: Mark on Feb 10, 2006 @ 4:32pm

    can someone tell me why everyone is so concerned about the cops leaving their cars running when some guy, by the sounds of things, was beaten nearly to death outside our school? I think Im going to go outside and just run my car for awhile...

  6. Posted by: Bradyn on Feb 10, 2006 @ 5:24pm

    the guy is apparently in serious condition because he was sucker punched and his head apparently slammed into the concrete. im still not sure why a cop is there in broad daylight though - it would take an incredibly stupid person to walk through that cordoned off area. the likelihood of it happening is very slim.

  7. Posted by: Alex on Feb 10, 2006 @ 6:22pm

    I agree with Mark, a man almost died and the only thing you can think of is the environment? Imagine yourself in his position, would you rather they have you in mind or the fact that the police idle their vehicles? At least mention both.

  8. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:27pm

    One, just to get this out of the way, people die every day because of air pollution, from asthma attacks and respiratory problems due to increased levels of air pollution, much of which is caused by fumes from automobile engines. I think this is a relavent tangent, though, it might not be the most appropriate for this particular article.

    On a separate note, what I find rather annoying is the fact that many horrible fights occur in downtown Guelph and you NEVER see the Guelph Police cordon off the scene for more than a few hours. Maybe the University is just making a big fuss over this fight on campus to cover their @$$ so that the parents of the two individuals recognize that the university what doing all that it can to investigate said occurence. Just a thought. Any time that I was near the scene, the Police officer was always in his car, and never out 'investigating' anything.

  9. Posted by: Brian on Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:39pm

    The environment does not matter in this case at all. that's it.

  10. Posted by: Craig on Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:43pm

    Ok but seriously, this is a situation where we have someone on the brink of death. Yes, cars idling is not good, yet to even think about bringing that up is quite irrelevant. Maybe we should worry about people who are outside the U.C having a smoke break.. they as well are contributing to our athsma etc. Also lets be honest, the "security services" dont really need fuel efficient cars, they use bikes a lot and seriously.. campus is not that large.

  11. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:53pm

    Obviously neither Brian nor Craig read the last sentence of my first paragraph, "I think this is a relavent tangent, though, it might not be the most appropriate for this particular article." Tangents die hard.

  12. Posted by: Trevor on Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:57pm

    The guy is in critical condition at Sunnybrook in Toronto...maybe that's why it's such a big deal. Just like an everyday pub brawl that happens twice a week downtown?...come on. Of course there's fights...but nothing of this magnitude. What's happened is a big deal. For all you environmentalists, it's a joke that you have no sympathy for the guy that's hurt...instead complaining about idling cars. That's a joke!! Seriously!

  13. Posted by: Alex on Feb 10, 2006 @ 8:17pm

    I guess everybody ran out of their compassion over the bus driver in November, hell even people went around giving candy to thank them for their 'duty'. All this guy is getting is a "because of you the world is a little more polluted". Bravo, your environmental concerns are of much comfort to the mother who's scared shitless right now.

  14. Posted by: Rob on Feb 10, 2006 @ 8:43pm

    It's terrible that there is someone in such critical condition right now because of some meathead last night. I feel terrible for him, as Im sure everyone elso who has written does. But just because he is in need of our hope right now does not mean we should shut down discussion of everything else. Police idling is a waste of money and resorces. It happens too often, and it is a legitimate concern. No one is blaming anyone else for this wastefulness, and no one is dismissing concern over the hurt man.

  15. Posted by: Al on Feb 10, 2006 @ 8:59pm

    i agree 100% with rob...that must be the smartest comment on this website.

  16. Posted by: RB on Feb 10, 2006 @ 9:06pm

    The police officer was on campus today because there is a criminal investigation going on and someone needs to be there in order to make sure that the evidence is preserved and not tampered with. If at the extreme this case were to go to trial, it is the police's duty to ensure that all the evidence is preserved and not messed with. With so many students walking by and the area being a high traffic zone, the cop presence is necessary. So despite everybody's concern about the environment and need to save money, this is a serious event that took place on campus and we should be worrying about the student that is seriously injured rather than picking out needless things. Just in my opinion!

  17. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 10, 2006 @ 9:42pm

    Okay, to clarify the point that I was trying to make earlier is that there have been many really horrible (even more horrible accidents than this) that have occured in downtown Guelph that have been 'cleaned' up rather swiftly within a few hours by the Police and Ambulance staff - this, however, was not. I'm just trying to point out that the fact that there was a police car sitting outside the UC without any actual 'investigation' going on, longer than it seemed necessary to do was a little fishy - PR style fishy. Anyways.

    And again, for the last time, I'm not trying to make the issue seem less important than it already is - because it really is an important issue - I was basically trying to say the exact same thing that Rob is saying - the enviro issue is important, but not as appropriate for this particular discussion, seeing as someone was hurt. I can't even believe I have to clarify myself for a 3rd time.

  18. Posted by: Jenna on Feb 10, 2006 @ 9:45pm

    I agree with Rob that we should not shut everything else out, but I also think that there is a time and a place for everything. I hope the injured person recovers and has not suffered permanent brain damage. As for the police idling, I don't know what it is like to be a police officer, I can only try to understand the things they have to do and deal with and frankly, and the only thing I would can think to say to that officer (or officers) is "thank you". If you uptight enviro people have a problem with the police idling while on duty, and if it really bothers you as much as you make it sound it does, go an tell them! Personally, I think that would be quite disrespectful.

  19. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 10, 2006 @ 10:00pm

    And to bring up another important point, most if not all of the people here, I'm assuming, know the entire back story to the brawl that occured - you don't know what was said or how the events unfolded. It is unfortunate that someone is in the hospital right now, and it's really sad that this kind of thing happens to anyone, but please, please do not assume that one person is automatically guilty while the other is innocent. There are always two sides to the story. The media names one person at fault, while glorifying the victim. We only have some vague concept of what occured at last night. We don't know what was said up beforehand that lead up to the fight, or if the two individuals prior relationship up until that point. I'm not trying to take blame from the individual who knocked out the other individual - since what they did was really horrible, but it also does not help that we have no idea under what pretext that punch was thrown. Just a thought to ponder.

  20. Posted by: Morgan on Feb 11, 2006 @ 6:13am

    A person was viciously assaulted & suffering a brain hemorrhage and now fighting for his life. My prayers go to him, his family and friends. This doesn’t happen downtown “twice a week” and it is more then “pub brawl that got a little out of hand”. In fact an assault of this magnitude rarely happens. I assure you that no argument warrants this result. As for what the police are doing, I’m betting you never had police training & have no idea what happens during an investigation.

    Only tree huggers would be able to introduce an environmental issue at a grave time like this & feel their narrow vision is a gift to all. I have an idea, set everybody in prison free. Disband police & military. Use that wasted money & plant trees. Get rid of all laws, survival of the fittest, kill or be killed. Dead bodies make good fertilizer, keep the world GREEN & solve over population. When you or somebody you are close to is lying prematurely on their death bed I bet you will complain there was nobody around to ensure your safety.

    I hope the offender pays the full price of the “Laws of the Land” & finds forgiveness in his final moment as a living being. May the victim and his family find strength & courage during this extremely difficult time.

  21. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 11, 2006 @ 9:19am

    Okay, so I finally think that I have to spell this out to the imbeciles in the crowd - I wasn't trying to exalt the environmental issue - it is a topic that should be discussed ELSEWHERE, because it is relevent ELSEWHERE, and therefore, NOT RELEVANT here! End of discussion. Why can't people just let this tangent die so that we can move onto the issue at hand.

    No one here even has any idea of what went on that night, and everyone seems to think that the victim is completely innocent - he may very well not be. I've seen arguments in downtown Guelph become THIS out of hand before. Last semestre a guy was taken to hospital with serious brain damage after being knocked on MacDonnell st on a Friday night. I talked to people on the street, and it was the victim who kinda began the fight. While he most certainly did not deserve to get beaten at all, there is no use in placing anyone on a pedestal becuase they've been horribly injured. You don't know the background to the story - and I'm not saying that this is the exact same issue all over again - it might be completely different. Stop thinking in terms of black and white, as though there's always a clear wrong and a clear right.

  22. Posted by: Andy on Feb 11, 2006 @ 10:31am

    I was at the UC right before the fight, leaving the Taps with a bunch of friends. For those of you that don't go to the Bars often, fights break out all the time, often with the instigator being on the losing side. None of us can judge unless we were there. Last year I was on a bus that a fight broke out over a racial slur. Some white trash kid called a black person the "n" word. He got beat black and blue, and we didn't feel sorry for him. I agree with whoever said we shouldn't look at this as good vs. bad situation. For all we know the person that is in hospital started the fight.

    Secondly Kimik brings up some good points about the fuel usage. Agreed, this is not the primary concern here, but it is a valid thought. Why is the "security" driving crown Vics? An 18 wheeler gets better fuel economy, let alone the reliability issues they have as they get older. Yes, the campus is small, but these people are driving a lot of KM in this small area. What's the need of a powerful car in a place that I can run around in 10 min? I'm tired of the Uni complaining about money when I see wastage everywhere!

  23. Posted by: To KIMIK on Feb 11, 2006 @ 10:33am

    Why don't you be the bigger person and "let this tangent die" by not responding? Just chill out. You're freaking out unnecessarily. There are lots of different types of people out there. Environmentalists might be concerned with the police cars idling. Others may be concerned with the injured student. We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't think it's necessary for you to have to spend all of yesterday and today trying to defend your point.

  24. Posted by: Steve on Feb 11, 2006 @ 11:17am

    First of all, I know its "just a tangent" but seriously, do we really need this right now? Secondly, regardless of who started the altercation there is still someone in the hospital and someone who is absolutly in shock over the occurrence. People don't expect this sort of outcome in fights ( and by no means am Idefending the person). And in regards to the issue over the cars, police investigations take a while and in order to get all the necessary facts you need special people to investigate some of which are not immediatly available. Furthermore, although these cars are not as efficient, with the amount of arrests and situations the police deal with these cars are necessary for an incapacitation situation. Get off your high horse and realize that regardless who started it or how much gas is wasted, someone is hurt hear and theres alot more pressing problems then the "wasting of fuel"

  25. Posted by: To KIMIK on Feb 11, 2006 @ 12:18pm

    Do you have nothing better to do with your time?

  26. Posted by: james on Feb 11, 2006 @ 1:31pm

    Just because police are necessary at the scene does not mean they need to leave their cars running.

  27. Posted by: Mike on Feb 11, 2006 @ 2:26pm

    This cop was there all night in the cold protecting the crime scene. What do you want him to do, stand in the UC and look through the window?

  28. Posted by: KIMIK on Feb 11, 2006 @ 3:02pm

    You realize that it really doesn't take me longer than 10 minutes to synthesize one of these comments - yes I do have other things to do with my time, but really is it that big of a waste of my time to comment on a reasonably important issue? I mean, yes, I could be doing so many better things like studying for midterms, but in reality, there are so many worse things I could be doing too. So what's your point? Should I attack other people for taking time out of their precious day to comment on the same issue? I think not. I'll stick to critiquing/commenting on their arguments, since it seems like a more fair thing to do.

  29. Posted by: X on Feb 11, 2006 @ 3:16pm

    The Issue at hand here is that someone who is deeply loved and cared about is in critical condition, on a respirator with severe brain hemorraging in a hospital in Toronto for someone's senseless action. I personally know who was victimized in this assault and this person is a phenomenal human being and does not deserve in any way to be depicted as in the previous posts. All we can do is hope for the best, this issue is not about the environment but about a HUMAN BEING, who has family and friends who are affected by this incident. So please show some compassion.

  30. Posted by: Jesse on Feb 11, 2006 @ 3:31pm

    The environment should not have been brought up. It is not relevant with regards to this topic.l

    The end.

  31. Posted by: dave on Feb 12, 2006 @ 12:28am

    so anyone know what actually happened?

  32. Posted by: Jeff on Feb 12, 2006 @ 2:57pm

    I knew the victim casually and i can only say that he is always been a really nice guy. I hope for the best and for him and his family through this extremely tough time.

  33. Posted by: C on Feb 12, 2006 @ 4:00pm

    As an environmentalist, I'd just like to start by saying that not all of us are selfish - a lot of us are really concerned about others, and that's why we make the choices that we do! However, it seems that a lot of people have missed the more obvious lesson of this awful event – the effect of alcohol on our lives – and a warning about responsibility and moderation. Like many students, I enjoy going out for a drink, but this shows how quickly a good night at the bar can get out of hand. How many students watched this fight and didn't call security? Was anyone yelling for it to stop? Why weren’t friends pulling them apart? Most of us have altered moods after drinking, but we don't think that it will result in massive injury or death. Rumour has it, that the guy walked away and fell down, without putting his hands out to stop himself. ...This could happen to any overly-intoxicated person! Who hasn't seem someone pass out drunk? We should all be a little more careful next time we order that second or third drink, or watch a friend move on to their fourth. Alcohol has the ability to make that fun night at the bar, a life-shattering experience. I hope this has been a sobering experience for everyone at Guelph.

  34. Posted by: Jeff on Feb 12, 2006 @ 5:00pm

    i want to attempt to justify my comment as i seemed to have gotten censored and offended people.
    I refer specifically to the people talking about the environment in this forum or in all other forums in which the environment is not the topic, but invariably becomes so. in my opinion you people are selfish

    Look at the title of the article, read the article. Does it have anything to do with the environment? no. I feel you skewed the story to issues that pertained to your beliefs and then made that the relevant issue. Therefore in my opinion you are taking away from the true relevant issue and from the people that actually care about the victim, thus you are selfish. If I came in here and started talking about super Nintendo or something I would expect people to tell me to screw off.

  35. Posted by: on Feb 13, 2006 @ 12:08am

    So two guys fought and someone got injured and someone got arrested.

    so did I miss the part where people needed to give their opinions?

  36. Posted by: Erica on Feb 13, 2006 @ 1:07pm

    I as well know the victim and have for my entire life as we grew up in the same town. I would just like to say that I don't think that changing this blog to an environmental issue was the point. I know people have already stated this but it was very frustating for myself and my friends on friday wondering if our friend is alright and reading this site with all these messages about who cares about this fight, car idling for 3 hours BLAH BLAH, WHO CARES????? the point is my friend is not alright and he wont be for a long time now so just leave the issue alone. reading all these messages made me and other people who knew him, very upset. Have a little respect for him and his family.
    I'm not a person who usually writes on these sites or likes to invlove myself in discussion like this but i think something needed to be said.
    Nice comments Jeff

  37. Posted by: Ksenia on Feb 13, 2006 @ 1:36pm

    What's wrong with you people? The guys is in serious condition and you are talking about idiling being a problem? This it totally irrelavant to the post and rude!

  38. Posted by: X on Feb 13, 2006 @ 1:57pm

    No one fought... the victim was sucker punched and hit his head on the cement and the brain hemorraging started immediately. Please do not make comments if you do not actually know what happened. Very many people are upset about this situation and it is absolutely pathetic that people who have no idea about the victim or the situation are making comments. Sure you can voice your opinion, but understand what is going on first and foremost before you blame the victim or the people that were around.

  39. Posted by: Ty on Feb 13, 2006 @ 1:58pm

    For the person that said the guy was visciously assualted... He was hit once, because he was going after someone, he fell and hit his head. No one expected this to happen, to pretend like the guy was beat down. he was hit once. This is a terrible situation for all involved, but dont make it out to be a brutal attack.

  40. Posted by: John h on Feb 13, 2006 @ 6:12pm


    Thanks for adding your perspective. This wasn't about a guy who was visciously beaten as he lay helpless. I'm certainly sympathetic, however only one punch was thrown and I'd wager neither of the guys involved had an inkling of the tragedy that was about to unfold afterward.

  41. Posted by: X on Feb 13, 2006 @ 6:45pm

    One punch was more than enough to put this person in critical condition fighting for his life... we have no idea if he will survive or even wake up normal and healthy again. There is no justification for the assaulter's actions, it does not matter if it was not foreseen, do not give him any benefit of the doubt. This was a disguting act of violence, like I said it was an unforeseen 'sucker punch' the victim was not expecting to get punched, which in my opinion, does make it a BRUTAL ATTACK.

  42. Posted by: T on Feb 14, 2006 @ 1:25am

    Dear X,
    or anyone who has seen the punch.
    The police strongly urge anyone who saw the punch to contact Sgt. Ed O’Hanlon 824-1212, Ext. 203 as mentioned above. This is very important, this cannot be stressed enough to those who saw it and we hope anyone who saw it does the right thing, and talks to the police.

  43. Posted by: uter on Feb 14, 2006 @ 2:54pm

    Yeah Im sick of people not helping out in these circumstances. Withholding vital info. My neighbourhood back home, a girl vanished and her body turned up a few days later (this past fall). Because nobody came forward with some info, it is still unsolved.

  44. Posted by: Tyler on Feb 14, 2006 @ 6:05pm

    once again X, your opinion of what is or what isn't, a sucker punch, doesn't matter.

  45. Posted by: Bradyn on Feb 15, 2006 @ 12:09am

    can everyone just stop backstabbing each other and grow up? its not like any of you or myself have the capacity to see inside someones head and read their thoughts and intentions - there are conflicting stories everywhere and rumours spread like wildfire, which isn't helping anything or anyone. all you can do is hope that the guy is alright and that justice is served.

  46. Posted by: Ryan on Feb 15, 2006 @ 7:13pm

    I agree with Tyler and whoever else sympathizes with the individual under investigation. This was an accident. People viciously beat each other on a regular basis, and this amount of violence doesn't bother anyone at all as long as both parties walk away.

    Don't pretend this is so much worse. There was less violence at play here.

    This was an accident, and a tragic one at that. The intent was the same as any one else who throws a punch, but all of a sudden this individual is a violent sociopath and a menace? The guy who threw the punch is going to have to deal with this the rest of his life, and odds are he truly regrets his actions.

    I am not saying it was right, because it wasn't. I just feel as though nobody gained from this encounter, this wasn't an unprecedented assault, or a mugging, or anything else with intent to harm. It was two drunk and stupid kids who were involved in an accident. Unfortunately one of them did not walk away, and our prayers are with him.

  47. Posted by: Eddie on Feb 15, 2006 @ 7:14pm

    hate to say it, but if some drunk guy was walking towards me i wouldnt have waited for him to punch me either. I would have acted in the same way.

  48. Posted by: P on Feb 16, 2006 @ 3:23pm

    Do we know how our fellow students are doing now? I haven't been able to get info from the media on how either are.

  49. Posted by: Mark on Feb 17, 2006 @ 3:07pm

    I completely agree with Eddie. From what I hear from someone who was there, the one guy "victim" came at the "assaulter". The "victim" was calling the other guy "a real tuff guy" as he came at him and the "assaulter" through a jab as the guy got close enough for him to hit. The guy fell immaediately and the "assaulter" was then attacked and punched.... But no one hears about that. The guy is hurt yes but one punch is a minimum requirement when some drunk guy threatens you.
    I heard directly from a someone there who was sober it is not heresay.

  50. Posted by: L on Feb 17, 2006 @ 3:07pm

    I feel terrible for the guy in the hospital. What happened was awful, yet i have to agree that before anyone makes judgements of who is to blame they have to know the whole story. I have pretty good sources from both sides of this story, and as easy as it is to blame the guy who isn't in the hospital the incident can't be blamed intirely on him. Nobody was 'sucker punched'. The guy was hit becuase he was coming at the other guy. I think if most of you were in that situation you wouldn't just stand there and let someone hit you. The guy who punched him wasnt even drinking that night he was walking home from a soccer game. The guy in the hospital was drunk and unfortuntaely alcohol can make people act pretty dumb. It's a fact. Calling on a fight with someone can lead to bad consequences and in this case he was hurt. It really was an accidnet that never should have happened.

  51. Posted by: Ncik on Feb 17, 2006 @ 4:24pm

    This has really opened my eyes to the way the media can depict people and the effect that labeling someone a "victim" can have. The guy in the hospital was drunk with three of his friends and picked a fight with my friend and two guys on his soccer team. One of the drunk guys grabbed a guy and steve tried to get in between them and stop what was happening. The "victim" then said something about him being some kind of tough guy and came at him. It's like the old joke, two hits. Steve hit him, and he hit the groud. Unfortunately for everyone he hit the ground head first. I'm sympathetic to this guy and his family and I hope he gets better, but I don't think painting him as victim is right. Maybe a victim of circumstances but thats it. I think Steve was completely justified for what he did. I'm certain that worse fights break out every weekend, its just that this one came to a terribly unlucky end.

  52. Posted by: mark on Feb 17, 2006 @ 7:20pm

    I heard he his now out of the induced coma and responding. It seems as though he has rounded the corner.
    With all these rumours going around it makes me skepticle that anyone knows the truth.

  53. Posted by: Martin Up You Peeps on Feb 18, 2006 @ 6:51am

    All you peeps with all this wonderful information. If what you say is true then why are you afraid to go talk to the Police instead of hiding behide these tiny minded letters? Ncik, L you seem to "know" a lot tell the police what you seem to know so well. I bet you won't...you are just big winded friends of the assaulter.

  54. Posted by: XA on Feb 18, 2006 @ 11:42pm

    Dear Ncik,

    Where is ____ now?? Is in the hospital right now?? Is he unconscious right now?? Is part of his skull removed? Has he visited the victim who HE PUT IN A COMA?? Has he talked to his MOM?? DOES HE SHOW ANY REMORSE?? Did you know that the victim had an identical twin brother and he sucker punched his brother instead?? YES IT WAS A SUCKER PUNCH. DO NOT DEFEND A CRIMINAL. ______ should never walk again. HE IS A CRIMINAL. Do not depict my friend in any negative way. He is a fantastic human being who does not deserve in any way to be in the situation he is in. It gives me a bit of satisfaction knowing that ______ will never get a good job EVER AGAIN...he will clean toliets for the rest of his life.. if he is lucky... because no one will hire someone with a criminal record for assault.

  55. Posted by: XA on Feb 18, 2006 @ 11:47pm

    THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. It was only 'one punch'... 'one gunshot' ... 'one stab mark' Stop being so desensitized... Someone was hurt.. Someone loves him... COME ON PEOPLE... SHOW SOME SYMPATHY... This was an act of violence, do not EVER DEFEND THE CRIMNAL.. HE IS A CRIMNAL FOR A REASON...

  56. Posted by: Z...... on Feb 19, 2006 @ 12:27pm

    you just said the guy who punched him wasnt even drinking

    I think that says it all.

  57. Posted by: TK on Feb 20, 2006 @ 1:29pm

    I am not sure if people are still posting to this or not - but people need to come down a bit.

    XA - I realize where you are coming from - I can sympathize (though I have never been in a situation where a friend is gravely injured). If the guy who threw the punch is found guilty then he obviously deserves some punishment - but not to have his life ruined. I feel like its a more complex issue than you're portraying it as. I can only hope that knee jerk reactions don't lead to further injustice then has already occured.

  58. Posted by: M. on Feb 20, 2006 @ 4:17pm

    let's wait to hear the whole story 'til we point fingers. the reality is that the situation sucks- for both parties involved. there is nothing that can be done to reverse the damage now. we have to be the ones to interpret this sensitively, from both sides, and try to overcome this. there's always room for violence and fault and blame, but what good is that going to do anyone besides put us right back from where this is coming from? yeah, some of us are mad, sad, confused-- and rightly so. let's overcome this, try to understand why it happened, help each other through it, and make sure it doesn't happen again. that's likely the best outcome an awful and unfortunate situation like this can have-- teaching us a lesson.

  59. Posted by: Ncik on Feb 27, 2006 @ 3:07am

    XA who ever you are. You need to chill out dude.

    How are you comparing a balled fist to shooting someone? I guess you think _____ intended to leave that guy in the hospital because it makes him feel like a big tough guy? Clearly ____ was out looking for a fight, after his intramural soccer game(*sarcasm*).
    For the record XA you're right about one thing, the guy in the hospital doesn't deserve what happened to him. But if you expect me to listen to your righteous bullshit you've clearly lost your mind.
    I'm not saying anything bad about your friend, so stop running your mouth about mine. Remember, innocent until proven guilty, so watch who you're calling a criminal. And your rambling accusations that ____ feels no remorse? ____ couldn't visit the guy if he wanted to.
    Do you really think "______ should never walk again"? Is that a reasonable reaction? Would that make anything better?

    It's shitty that your friend hit his head on the sidewalk, I'm sorry for him and what happened. But ________ is a fantastic human being too, and he doesn't deserve this any more than your friend.

  60. Posted by: Ncik on Feb 27, 2006 @ 3:09am

    For those who aren’t blinded by rage consider a hypothetical. You and some friends are approached by some drunk guys. They harass you and it seems clear that they're trying to pick a fight. The question is when one of them approaches you in a way that seems threatening what do you do?

    I wasn't there, I can’t claim this is accurate, but I think this is a pretty rough approximation of what happened. So what would you do?

  61. Posted by: Laurie on Feb 27, 2006 @ 3:00pm

    Right on Ncik

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